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The asymmetric unit of the title structure, C(14)H(30)N(2)O(4) (2+)·2PF(6) (-), contains the anion and half of the cation, the latter being completed by a crystallographic twofold axis. The cation has a cage structure with the ammonium H atoms pointing into the cage. These H atoms are shielded from inter-molecular inter-actions and form only intra-molecular contacts. There are short inter-molecular C-H⋯F inter-actions in the structure, but no conventional inter-molecular hydrogen bonds.

The asymmetric unit of the title molecular salt, C(14)H(30)N(2)O(4) (2+)·SiF(6) (2-), contains half of both the anion and the cation, both ions being completed by a crystallographic twofold axis passing through the Si atom. The cation has a cage structure with the ammonium H atoms pointing into the cage. These H atoms are shielded from inter-molecular inter-actions and form only intra-molecular contacts. There are short inter-molecular C-H⋯F inter-actions in the structure, but no conventional inter-molecular hydrogen bonds.